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that's it for us tonight. i'll see yeah right back here tomorrow. "fareed zakaria, why they hate us" starts right now. ♪ hatred so deep it drives men to turn planes into bombs. >> a plane crashed -- >> an act of terror on our soil. >> hatred so profound it drove omar mateen to slaughter dozens of americans on a dance floor in orlando. it is impossible to understand. impossible to get into the mind of a terrorist.
>> once again this station is facing terror and tragedy. >> why do so many millions of muslims hate the u.s.a.? >> why do they hate us? >> what did we do to the islamic world? >> americans are asking why do they hate us? >> emphasis on that last word "us." why do islamic terrorists hate americans? 15 years after 9/11, we are no longer surprised when they tell us they want to kill us. >> so what are you waiting for? you can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic
assault rifle. >> but who are they? how many? and are they multiplying in a new deadly form? >> france is the beginning, tomorrow will be washington. it will be new york. it's coming. >> reporter: inside schools. >> reporter: young children are being taught how to kill us. if the goal of isis propaganda is to terrify america, it has worked. >> let's look at the mood in the country because terrorism is again front and center. >> reporter: and that fear has paved the way for a new voice in this country. >> the next president of the united states. >> donald j. trump is calling
for a total and complete shut down of muslims entering the
united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. [ applause ] it's going to get worse and worse. you're going to have more world trade centers. it's going to get worse and worse, folks. >> reporter: trump's message has led some americans to say who cares why they hate us, we hate them. >> who's bombing buildings, who's bombing airplanes? it's not the jewish, it's the muslims. you got that on camera, sport? >> we have training camps where they they want to kill us. >> they're coming together. they're not going to be happy until they take over this country and we're under sharia law and i'm not going to bow down to them. >> reporter: americans are understandably angry and afraid. but with fear turning to hate,
we need answers.
its literally a matter of life and death. when you ask a scholar steeped in the subject like columbia's rasheed, he makes an important distinction. >> why do they hate us? if you take they as being muslims, they don't hate us. if you talk about they as being a narrow small group of extreme radicals, that's an entirely different question. >> we call upon muslims around the world to ban the constitution, to ban the american flag. >> choudry comes from that very small group. he has been charged with supporting isis. >> you're hypocrites. you don't have principals. thats a's your problem as americans. i personally hate the american regime and their foreign policy. >> reporter: he faces prison for his support of isis but he's
unrelenting in that support. never mind the kidnappings, the beheadings, the sex slaves, to choudry, it's paradise. >> there's no usery, alcohol, gambling. all the vices you're used to don't exist over there. this idea that they're raping people. why don't you listen to what the muslims are saying. they will deny these things. >> because they kill journalists. that's why. they kill journalists, mr. choudery. in fact, isis has murdered at least 23 reporters, among them james foley and steven socklov. how do you explain that people are fleeing the islamic state? despite documented evidence of
10s of thousands of people desperately fleeing isis, choudery claims are there are actually more arriving. >> the people are coming into the islamic state. we have photos of christians coming back to mosul. you don't show those because it doesn't fit your agenda. >> reporter: and then the flood gates open with the reasons why he says he hates us. >> freedom of expression, freedom of religion. they sound very nice but where's the freedom for people in guantanamo bay. did you hold that up as an example of liberty and democracy? the american way? the american life? george bush flushed them down the toilet. >> but the united states intervened in bosnia to protect muslims. it has intervened in afghanistan and is supporting a government
that has been elected twice by the afghan people. >> i think you spend too much time in the cnn world, in the real world, the people in afghanistan hate americans. >> the real world is determined by polls not what you say. >> you're living in hollywood. some kind of make believe world. >> i come back to the very simple proposition that if the groups you seem to support, from al qaeda to isis were as popular as they claim, why do they have to go around murdering, slotering, raping and forcing people into submission? >> for a moment i thought you were talking about guantanamo bae when you were talking about rape, and oppression. >> choudery reminds me of marxist ideologs that could
justify their belief system. what is striking is that american remains the obsession of choudery and others who have seldom been here. so, what happens when a jihadi is one of us? an american? are the reasons he hates us the same? >> to the muslims in america, i have this to say. how can you have your loyalty to a government that is leading the war against islam and muslims? >> reporter: no one has scared american security officials more than anwar alalocky. >> he helps plan attacks on the united states. >> reporter: he is the driving force behind virtually all of the worst terrorist attacks in america since 9/11. >> we are facing you as men who
love death just like you love life. >> reporter: he's an american born in new mexico. educated at colorado state university. how influential is he? dzhokhar tsarnaev wrote about his teachings as he lay bleeding in a backyard boat waiting to be captured. >> multiple victims -- >> reporter: one of the san bernardino killers, farook, watched his sermons for years. and then there were psychiatrist who murdered 13 americans at fort hood in texas. hassan emailed iraqis about his plans. the underwear bomber tried to blow a plane out of the sky over detroit under orders from him. and finally, orlando killer omar
mateen, the fbi says he appears to have been suede by him after watching his sermons on the internet. but here is the strangest twist in this american horror story. after the 9/11 terror attacks, he was invited to lead prayers at the u.s. capital. he was considered such a perfect role model, a moderate imam that the washington post did a story about him. >> either -- there's always this association between islam and terrorism. when that is not true at all. i mean, islam is a a religion of peace. >> reporter: but gradually, it is possible to see the beginnings of his disenchantment. >> there are reasons for this
resentment. the fact that the u.s. had administered the death and homicide of over 1 million civilians. >> reporter: no one seems certain when he became a full fledged jihadi, but one thing is clear scholar of islam, but he never sites his religion when he speaks about why he hates us. >> over this way. >> reporter: his reasons, like choudery's are about american foreign policy. the so-called war against islam that jihadists always speak of. the fbi began to monitor him. he fled to yemen and eventually became a top leader of al qaeda. >> would you say he's eat least
as severe a threat as bin laden? >> probably the most significant risk on u.s. land. >> reporter: there's one more fact that i have not mentioned. he is dead. it was an american dronestrike in 2011. but here's the most frightening fact. he is still killing americans. some of the fwludiebloodiest te inspired was after his death, the boston marathon bombing, san bernardino, and the worst mass shooting in u.s. history, the orlando night club murders. literally thousands of his videos are just a click away. >> you remember the good old days when americans were enjoying the blessings opsecuriof security and peace? >> the man is dead, the message is not. and yet his main explanation for
why they hate us, doesn't ring true to me. the united states has, for better or worse waged war in many lands. why are there no cambodian terrorists? and why do they kill mostly other muslims? >> the explanation for the violence in islam must lie somewhere else, somewhere deeper. some say it comes directly from the quran. but is the muslim holy book being distorted? >> it promises a martyr in the name of islam 72 virgins. is that true? what conta what exactly does the quran promise martyrs when we come back.
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said. >> the next time a bombing or beheading occurs, and god knows it will, the first thing you will hear from the mouth of a so-called moderate muslim is, oh, no, no, please don't misunderstand, islam has nothing to do with this. that's simply not true. because most of the people doing these bombings and beheadings say that they are doing it in the name of allah. and they actually cite versus from the koran. >> we are men honored with islam who climb its peaks to perform jihad. >> the controversial question triggered a shouting match on bill maher's hbo program. >> ben, we have to be able to criticize bad ideas. >> of course we do. >> islam is mother load of bad ideas. >> how about more than a billion people that are not radical and don't do any of the things. >> wait a second. >> no. wait. >> wait a second. you're painting the whole religion with that --
>> no. let's get down to who has the right answer here. a billion people you say, all these billion people don't hold any of those -- these pernicious beliefs? >> no, they don't. >> we will come back to affleck's point about the numbers, but let's just look at the text. the koran does contain versus that encourage intolerance and violence. it recommends a fiery death for gay people in a shower of brimstone. but look at the bible on the same subject in leviticus. if a man has sex with another man, kill them both. both holy books also have passages recommending murder for nonbelievers. this verse in the koran is one that isis has taken literally. i will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. therefore, strike off their heads. >> our knife will continue to
strike the necks of your people. >> but the same belief that guides isis also appears in the bible. believers are instructed to stone nonbelievers until they die. two holy books with violent passages with one obvious difference. jihadis are acting on what they read in the koran. >> islam is being manipulated. it is being used. >> there is one colorful example of manipulation in a famous koranic story. >> the koran promises a martyr in the name of islam 72 virgins. is that true? >> it is not true. >> manji says that several scholars studying the original text came to a startling realization. >> nowhere in the koran does it promise 72 virgins, 70 virgins, 48 virgins.
what it promises, as far as heaven goes, is something lush. the arabic word for virgin has been mistranslated. the original word that was used in the koran was the word for raisin. not virgin. in other words, martyrs would get raisins in heaven, not virgins. >> 72 raisins. can you imagine the terror of -- can you imagine the surprise of the terrorists who expected something completely different. ♪ ♪ we will march fthrough the gates where our maker awaits ♪ the story illustrates that radicals have twisted islamic ideas, but it also reflects a growing new reality. the violent jihadis who carry out isis terror attacks often know little about islam. >> in many cases, they are petty criminals, they are dropouts,
unemployed, in many cases they are drug users who never had anything to do with religion, no religious training whatsoever. >> you probably know us better than me, even. maybe you have studied. >> they are completely ignore -- ignorant of religion and latch onto radicalism as a way to act out their alienation. >> these brothers fit the profile. these are the isis killers partying at a high-end nightclub in brussels. salah was the mastermind of the paris attacks. brahim blew up himself in paris. it is easy, say some, to brainwash recruits who are not religious. a former radical told "the new yorker" that for purposes of recruitment, having no background in islam is actually an advantage. manji is trying to stop the recruitment process.
by exposing young people to all of islam's ideas. >> i'm trying to point out that they have the wrong material, they have the elements for change. >> there is another famous koranic story. a father's two sons convert to christianity and leave home. the father asks the prophet muhammad to bring them back but muhammad declines saying there is no compulsion in religion. >> the book itself can't speak. it is we muslims who speak on its behalf. there is a beautiful passage in the koran that states god does not change the condition of a people until they change what is inside themselves. >> and to those who say, well, you are cherry picking, what do you say? >> i say, yes, that's correct. and so are you. by not acknowledging the freedom loving verses of the koran. >> as you can see, islam can be used in many ways, but the
who? guess. i don't know, some kids in a basement? you watch too many movies. who? a small business in china. a business? they work nine to five. they take lunch hours. like a job? like a job. we tracked them. how did we do that? we have some new guys defending our network. new guys? well, they're not that new. they've been defending things for a long time. [ digital typewriting ] it's not just security. it's defense. bae systems.
we are now scrambling to figure out exactly what turned this couple into mass murders. >> tashfeen malik, the wife in the san bernardino terrorist attacks. >> how and where was the 29-year-old mother of a newborn radicalized? >> we all looked at her and asked how, how does a young mother drop her baby off at grandma's after nursing that baby and then proceed to massacre 14 people and give up her own life in a twisted act of martyrdom? there is a way to understand this because you can draw a straight line from tashfeen malik directly to the roots of modern radical islam. let me explain by going back to the beginning of the story. bizarre though it may sound, today's radical islamic movement started with a popular american song. 1949, the place was greeley, colorado.
♪ ♪ i've got to go away but baby it's cold outside ♪ >> "baby it's cold outside" was playing at a church dance. an egyptian student attending a local college happened to stop in. he was deeply conservative muslim and he was horrified by what he saw at that dance. he wrote later of what he called the animal-like mixing of the sexes, the hall swarmed with legs, lips met lips, chest met chests, the worst sight of all, he said, the outline of women's breasts in tight sweaters. his essay about his time here "the america i have seen" became a sensation in parts of the arab world. he hated everything about american culture, hollywood movies, big cars, fast food.
>> his views on america are terrifying. they are terrifying because they're narrow, they are racist, he presented the way women and men interacted in society. he resented american materialism. >> by the 1950s, he was a fierce critic of arab governments trying to westernize their economies, societies and political systems. he wrote 24 books urging the return to sharia law and terrorism against the leading modern nation in the world, the united states. he was executed in 1966 for plotting to overthrow the government of the egyptian president. he had become a rock star among budding radicals, even as arab regimes were jailing and torturing his followers. >> we are muslims who believe in their religion!
>> thus, in the jails of egypt and other arab tyrannies was born al qaeda. ♪ >> he was read and revered by osama bin laden, anwar al awlaki and the current leader of al qaeda. then in 1979, radical islam explodes. in iran, there was revolution. enraged by the repressive rule, of the american backed shia, popular protests drove him out. angry mobs seized the american embassy. for 444 days, the united states watched helplessly as americans
were held hostage. >> but there are indications tonight that a large number of armed shiite muslims -- >> at exactly the same time, november 1979, cataclysm in saudi arabia. the takeover of the grand mosque in mecca, islam's holiest site. it was stormed by heavily armed insurgents demanding the overthrow of the american-backed saudi king. these events were like rocket fuel for islamic radicals. they had taken control of iran and in saudi arabia, the monarchy makes a fateful decision. it decides to appease the ultra conservative wahhabi clergy who teach an intolerant version of islam. giving them free reign to spread
their poisonous world view to other muslim countries. >> it's hard to imagine a muslim community anywhere on this planet that hasn't been touched by this ideology. >> remember, saudi arabia is one of america's strongest allies. >> you are talking about a country that presents itself as the leader of the world's muslims, the muslim world. >> the new saudi regime is finally trying to contain the spread of radical islam. look at this interview with one of the most powerful men in saudi islam. the former imam of the grand mosque. we have the same beliefs as isis he says, we share their ideology, but we express it in more refined way. >> and that ideology is still being preached in saudi arabia
from the mosques. >> remember, 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 came from saudi arabia. so did osama bin laden. and one more person who was from saudi arabia. tashfeen malik, the wife in the san bernardino killings. >> malik came from pakistan -- >> so malik lived in both saudi arabia and pakistan. and to what country has saudi arabia most lavishly and successfully exported its ideology? pakistan. its saudi-funded mosques preach a message much like the saudi ideology of wahhabism. tashfeen malik is a product of radical islam globalized by
saudi money. and one more visitor to saudi arabia, the orlando shooter, omar mateen. he went there twice. up next, a crucial question. when we ask why they hate us, how many are there in the first place? >> 300 million people who are ready to strap bombs on their bodies. >> they say at most, 100,000 people. >> getting the facts right, when we return. it's more than a network and the cloud. it's reliable uptime. and multi-layered security. it's how you stay connected to each other and to your customers. with centurylink you get advanced technology solutions, including an industry leading broadband network,
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afraid. >> we need to kill them! >> very afraid. >> how many numbers are we talking about? the world has 1.6 billion muslims. how many muslims are we talking about? >> 300 million people who are ready to strap bombs on their bodies and blow us all up to smithereens. >> 300 million muslims ready to strap bombs to their bodies? can that really be true? donald trump offers even higher percentages. >> it's 27%. could be 35% who would go to war. the hatred is tremendous. >> fox news anchor chris wallace had just told the gop front-runner the facts. >> according to the best experts, think tanks all around the world, they say at most, 100,000 people are fighting for jihadist causes. >> wallace is right. trump is wrong. scholars and experts we spoke to agree. the number of jihadis worldwide
is somewhere between 1 and 200,000, not hundreds of millions. how did they come up with those results? simple math. they added up the estimated memberships of all islamic terror networks worldwide. 1/100th of 1% of all muslims around the world. but despite the consensus, the myth persists. >> you say 223 million muslims -- >> why don't you take a look at the pew poll that came out very recently. >> we did take a look and we couldn't find any poll by pew that bore any relation to trump's claims. in fact, the pew research center sent us a statement that says it has not issued a survey saying that 27% of muslims would go to war with the united states nor asked a question of muslims about going to war.
but there are some pew polls with findings that are troubling. let's take a look at just a few. in egypt, 81% of muslims who want sharia as the law of the land told pew that they also favor stoning as a punishment for adultery. and 86% favor the death penalty for those who leave islam. >> we may be appalled by certain regressive beliefs, but they are just beliefs. the issue is people's actions. >> but can some bad thoughts lead to bad actions? bill maher makes an interesting point. >> if vast numbers of muslims across the world believe, and they do, that humans deserve to die for merely holding a
different idea or drawing a cartoon or writing a book or eloping with the wrong perpendicular, not only does the muslim world have something in common can isis, it has too much in common with isis. >> aslan responding with an analogy from america. >> the christians at the westboro baptist church believes that god hates homosexuals so as a result of that belief, they picket the burial ceremonies of american soldiers who die overseas. now, christians in the united states also believe that homosexuality is a sin so they share that belief but would never share in those actions. by bill maher's logic, those two groups are essentially the same because they share one fundamental belief. >> sam harris, a critic of islam, counters with his own analogy. >> to have a play on broadway,
like the book of mormon, it's currently unthinkable to produce such a play on a topic of islam. ♪ >> it lampoons the religion. >> what did the mormons do in response to this play? they took out ads for mormonism in the program which is just an adorable response but there is no one who produced that play who lost any sleep over whether they might be killed or be hunted for the rest of their lives by crazy mormons and that is what we have to get to on the topic of islam. >> on this, i certainly agree with harris and yet there is another ideology that seems far more successful in seducing muslims. american democracy. when we come back, the story of american islam, warts and all. ♪
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hamtramck, michigan, is a story as old as america. a century ago, polish immigrants settled here. it became known as little warsaw. ♪ preserving the traditions of the old country in a new country. fast forward to the late 20th century and the american dream repeats itself. ♪ this time, the immigrants are muslims from yemen, from bangladesh, from bosnia. and now what was once known as little warsaw is the first city in america run by muslim americans. it has a majority muslim city council. >> last night's election had historic significance for that community and the country.
>> one more story as old as america, the inevitable culture clash. >> i don't like the changes that are going on, so i'm leaving. >> church bells collide with the call to prayer. restaurants cater to separate groups, different cultures now living side by side. there have been rough spots but hamtramck has made its new reality and its new government work. >> i pledge allegiance to the flag. >> we have a great possibility of showing the world how ethnic groups can work together to solve problems. >> but then the calls started coming in from the rest of america. >> we are coming to blow up the muslims. they try to bring sharia law, they try to do this. people are going crazy. >> it's time to say no sharia in
america! >> many communities across the country fear that arab immigration could translate into sharia law. >> i didn't say to hate them. i'm just saying we don't need them here. >> islam will never dominate the united states and by the grace of god it will not dominate texas! >> sharia law has never been established in any city in america and no one wants it less than the muslim americans in hamtramck. >> we don't believe in that. we came here to this country to run away from sharia law. you think i would put it in this country to follow me here? i don't think so. ♪ >> community activists ibrahim says his family fled yemen in search of the same things that all americans want. >> we came here for better life, for security and for a better future and that's all we came here for. we will always carry that american flag everywhere we go.
>> rrts a it's a country where advancement and access to wealth and power is open to people of all backgrounds. >> look at khan, he came from pakistan at age 16 penniless and now he owns an nfl team, the jacksonville jaguars. look at television host, dr. oz, a first generation turkish american. the list goes on. but middle eastern study scholar says its a list you won't find in many western countries. >> how many people with elite roles in french business are the
children or great grandchildren. we have people who are important in the media, whose faces look different than ordinary white americans. such as yourself. >> and as for all the fears americans have for sharia law, they are partly rooted in this fact. >> 1% of the population of america is muslim. most americans don't know any muslim and so it becomes very easy when confronted with extreme acts opviin the name of islam, it becomes easy to defeat that with islam. we would never make that mistake when confronted with with radical interpretations of christianity, because we live in a country that's 70% christian.
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the next time you hear of a terror attack, no matter where it is, no matter the circumstances, you will likely think to yourself, it's muslims again. and you will probably be right. in 2014, about 30,000 people were killed in terror attacks worldwide. the vast majority of those perpetrating the violence were muslim. but -- and this is important -- so were the victims. of the 30,000 dead, the vast, vast majority were muslims. that's crucial to understand because it sheds light on the question, "why do they hate us?" islamic terrorists don't just hate america or the west. they hate the modern world and they particularly hate muslims who are trying to live in the modern world. let's be clear, why the jihadis
are few, there's a larger cancer within the world of islam, a cancer of backwardness and extremism and intolerance. most of the countries that have laws that restrict the free exercise of religion are muslim majority. all that have laws against leaving the faith are muslim majority. but are these things inherent in the religion? when experts tried to explain in the 14th century islamic civilization was the world's most advanced or that the koran was once read as a liberal and progressive document, they are not trying to deny the realities of backwardness today. what they are saying is it can change. islam, after all, has been around for 14 centuries. there have been periods of war but also of peace. it's the same religion then and now. so what is different? it's not theology. it's politics.
radical islam is the product of the broken politics and stagnant economics of muslim countries. they have found in radical religion an ideology that lets them rail against the modern world, an ideology that is now being exported to alienated young muslims everywhere, in europe, even in some rare cases, in the united states. so how to end this? there's really only one way. help the majority of muslims fight extremists, reform their faith, and modernize their societies. in doing so, we should listen to those on the front lines. many of whom are fighting and dying in the struggle against jihadis, the hundreds of muslim reformers that i've spoken to said their task is made much harder when western politicians and pundits condemn islam entirely, demean their faith, and speak of all muslims as backward and suspect. here's another way to think about this. in america, african-americans
make up about 13% of the population yet they comprise about 50% of homicide offenders, according to a justice department study. now, we understand, i hope we understand, that when we see a black man on the street, we cannot, must not treat him as a likely criminal. it would be dehumanizing, unfair and racist. in america of all places, people should be treated as individuals and not as stereotypes from a racial, ethnic or religious group. remember, the bangladeshi cab driver who drives you to the airport has nothing, nothing to do with isis even though he is a muslim. it's hard not to make these quick associations, especially in the wake of a terror attack. but if america is about anything, it is the idea that people should be judged as individuals with individual liberties and rights. it is what they hate about us.
we might as well live up to our own ideals. i'm fareed zakaria. thank you for watching. this is cnn newsroom, live from los angeles. >> ahead this hour, you're fired. and donald trump sacks his campaign manager just four wee s s before the republican party convention. what the gunman told police during phone calls from inside the night club. and four measures rejected by the u.s. senate. hello and welcome everyone to our viewers in the united states and around the world. in for ishis